excuse me, first of all are you Jewish? Stay in your lane. Second of all, they're not crazy BECAUSE they don't believe in Zionism. Have you done any research on these groups of people? One of them are Holocaust deniers.

Also, Judaism and Israel cannot be separated, periodt. If you knew jack shit about Judaism you would understand that every single holiday, every prayer, everything about our ETHNOreligion is rooted in Israel, our heritage there and our continued devotion to this as our home and holy land.

People may disagree on the political nature of Zionism--I certainly don't like how Palestinian people are treated by the State of Israel, but we are indigenous to that region, were forcibly expelled through multiple violent imperialist/colonial conquests, and thrust into diaspora and persecution. Like all indigenous peoples (including Palestinians!), we have a right to self-determination on ancestral land; NOT *and* oppressing Palestinians, but this is the essence of Zionism and it's not up for debate. Judaism without orientation towards Israel is like saying Jews for Jesus--it's a bastardization to the point of unrecognizability and ridicule. It defies the fundamental nature of the faith.